FITNA: The Absolute Bullshit
I have just finished watching the movie FITNA.
What was this bloke, Geert Wilders, thinking?
Associating Islam with terrorists and radicalism, is like saying all Germans are the Nazis, and that all the Dutch are as ignorant and stupid as Geert Wilders.
The movie portrays how the Quran, the holy book of Islam, incites violence and hatred, and that all Muslims are radicals in their Islamic belief.
It shows series of photographs, videos, and misleading statements from terrorists, and radical Muslim leaders.
The thing that upsets me the most was the amount of publicity this movie has, and ultimately, the feedbacks from the viewers.
Most of them supported Geert Wilders, and most even agreed with his belief that Islam is violent, and that it is an evil cult.
The movie was premiered on March 27, 2008 and has generated more than three million viewers in two days.
I am shocked, and disappointed with how ridiculous, and irresponsible Nederlands is, by sacrificing national, even international security, just to prove that they practice their so-called press freedom, which I think is dysfunctional and irrational with the emergence of this movie.
As a non-muslim, I have lived my entire life in muslim-populated countries, like Indonesia and Malaysia, and FITNA’s representation of Islam is totally out of the reality.
FITNA the movie also implies that the people, especially emphasizing the West, are in danger by the Islamization process and that we should stop this domination process.
When in reality, Muslims all over the world are the real victims of this misinterpretation of Islam, even in the war-torn state of Iraq where most of its population are dominated by Muslims themselves.
Discrimination against Muslims is apparent in western countries, and even Muslim nations, especially for people who possess Islamic names.
I still remember my experience at the US Embassy in Jakarta, whereby Indonesians who appear to have Muslim names are often denied their Visa without proper excuse, and ironically they stamp the line “Canceled/Denied without Prejudice”.
Another thing is that, if Muslims were to demonstrate against the West, they would be perceived as narrow-minded and violent, but if Westerners were to protest, it is perceived as human rights and a symbolic act of democracy.
If Geert Wilders is capable of calling all Muslims, and the religion Islam, as a radical and extremist cult, I believe he is also worthy to be called an extremist himself. His status as a radical believer against Islam, automatically puts him in the coherent status with the terrorists.
A call to block the movie from being viewed by the public in South East Asia is I think, important to harness calm and stability. I believe Muslims in Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore should not react inappropriately in the bid to protest against the movie.
If such inappropriate move is made, this is used as an advantage by the West media.
The movie FITNA is indeed a Fitnah (Accusation in Indonesian) aimed at the Muslims.
TERRORIST OF THE WEST
Geert Wilders
Creator of the idiocy and lies in the movie FITNA
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“Another thing is that, if Muslims were to demonstrate against the West, they would be perceived as narrow-minded and violent, but if Westerners were to protest, it is perceived as human rights and a symbolic act of democracy.”
This is SO right…
after defeating the Ismlamics…
what next…
defeat the orthodox…
pff…
most of the commenters didnt read the bible…
they would make eyes, when they see whats written there….
and now???
No there are gonna be innocent people killed in a few weeks in Holland, because of THAT….
Don´t know where he was when god awarded the brain….
god bless him…. NOT
Geert Wilders
Women like this must be killed, because he is a therrorist, and it will hapend next day Allah will kill you !!!!
Geert Wilders is
TERRORIST OF THE WEST
thats true, I hope to have chance to meet you and to make juice of your body and
It is a man by the way, and I think you should not use the name of any god in vain especially in the name of violence.
If you believe in the mighty of the god, let it do its wonders.
Good day.
Wilder is just showing us the fact if the islam. He didnt do anything wrong. After I watched his movie, I realize how sad to be a muslim. I wish I can embrace them all with love. I can see in the movie, they hate too much even with no reason. God bless you all.
Yup. you right, Absolute Bullshit
i dont see any lie in the movie, all based on the fact and truth. many people will more realise the danger of a religion that push their faith to other people even if they have to kill those who do not want to accept their stupid god. damn, it even written it their holly book, wtf.
To be fair, I admit I haven’t even read or touch the Qur’an. So I don’t know how much of truth lies in this movie about those lines claimed to be in the holy book.
But even if they are written inside there, majority muslims do not follow or even practice such radical means.
If such lines ARE in fact written inside the Qur’an, I am sure The Christian Bible has its radical lines too.
Again the ‘fact and truth’ you saw in this movie are only true in the world of extremism, and cannot be applied to most muslims.
Though I am not a man of religion, I am sure that all religions are about peace and tolerance, and I am also sure Islam is no different.
Well, let’s see the reactions here:
“Women like this must be killed, because he is a therrorist, and it will hapend next day Allah will kill you !!!!”
“I hope to have chance to meet you and to make juice of your body ”
Must be killed. Allah will kill you. Make juice of your body.
I think that Mr. Wilders did not mis-represent Islam. There might be nice Muslims, but it takes only eight comments to find two potential murderers.
Totally agree with Princejake,
me myself as an Indonesian Moslem, was thinking that ..WHY on EARTH … a person like Geert Wilders making a movie based on prejudice and so Imbalace like that. WHY ??? If, he just want to show what the extremists did … it’s okay .. But, regarding it to be as ONE GOOD REPRESENTATIVES for 1 billion moslems. It’s totally Bullshit.
I really do agree with your statement below
“Another thing is that, if Muslims were to demonstrate against the West, they would be perceived as narrow-minded and violent, but if Westerners were to protest, it is perceived as human rights and a symbolic act of democracy.”
The world has gone unfair for us. So many of us practicing good Islams. Why, should pick one preety bad examples.
In Indonesia, even we have the figured so called FABIANUS TIBO (which is popularly known as Christian Extremists) , and yet our local media is wise enough not to blow this case,…. Why ????
Many doubted Fabianus Tito’s guilt in the matter. Even if he was guilty, there were aslo Muslim killers involved in the case.
Fitna is based on actual facts that has happened and as I wrote on my blog, it is now the Muslims’ duty to rise up to the challenge and prove everybody wrong. Don’t just preach the Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, show it. Do something to prove it.
Commenters no. 2 and 3 are the just like the Muslims Wilders hated, those are the ones that he depicted in the movie. So even if Wilders is a racist and bigoted political cheat, he was not making a movie about nothing, there is some truth to it.
Good thing I’m of no religion, I don’t experience this kind of hatred towards other people.
The problem lies within the West media itself. The good deeds that happen in the Muslim world are not of ‘good sell’.
Prove it? How are the Muslims suppose to prove such a thing, when they are not even given fair chance to start with.
Bombarding, and provoking them is certainly not a way.
Although this movie does portray ‘facts’ that might have really happened, I want to stress that it is ABOUT terrorists. BUT the movie is directed in such a way that it generalizes the Muslims to be on the same level as them. That the Qur’an spreads evil influence.
He even compared them with the Nazis.
That’s irresponsible, BUT a movie that portrays such negativity is welcomed, especially by the West, why? I am not sure, but my assumption is that, it is just easy to believe.
I am a man of no religion too, and I don’t think making such movie is going to help the Muslims or the non-Muslims.
It is manipulative, childish, and strictly improper.
The movie even poses threats to the people of Nederlands who are overseas.
what do u undestand about islam>>>> >?????
he (Geert Wilders) dont know
Alllahu Akbar!!!
princejake,
Muslims not given a fair chance to prove their good deeds? What good deeds? Why do you need the western media to proclaim your good deeds?
Muslims are always demonstrating against the west - burning effigies and flags. They ARE narrow-minded and violent. And not only that there are many useful idiots in the West supporting their narrow minded and irrational views.
Just look at how some western politicians and useful idiots are bending over backwards defending the irrational response to a film that has a lot of basis in fact!
To the Muslim, the injunctions in the Koran are good for all time whereas the “radical” injunctions in the Bible are not relevant today.
Manipulative, childish, strictly improper? Come out from under your shell and listen to what the Islamofascists are saying about you, the infidel.
Cahaya,
First, the Western media, as everyone knows, dominate the world of information. The ‘fair and balanced’ reporting as they say.
Without their help to disseminate ‘proper’ information, it proves to be a very slow process.
To your second point, I assume you saw these demonstrations on news? If you did, then that is exactly my point. Such demonstrations are showcased because it appeals to the mass public, especially the west.
I don’t think you understand my point, I am not attacking the facts in this movie ABOUT Muslim extremists, I am however, condemning HOW the movie is portrayed to generally stereotype every Muslim to these extremists.
I live in the most populated Muslim country, and I certainly am sure that the Muslims are nothing like the ones shown in FITNA.
Be it any religion, if one takes it to the extreme, it becomes ugly. Not just Islam.
Manipulative, Childish and Improper, yes those are the words I describe Geert Wilders.
Bravo that he has the guts to lay facts on the terrorists in his so called ‘movie’, but he’s an idiot by showing these facts improperly. Provoking anger, and prejudice among each other.
Geert Wilders!!!!
totally bullshit…
insyaAllah…a hell for him…
I lived where you live too. And as I recall, a lot of discrimination against minority happens all the time. Especially against Christians.
Books discrediting Christians are sold openly and nobody is protesting about it, the Christians themselves cannot protest for fear of their lives. Burnings and attacks on churches and mass have happened on many occasions. Indonesian Moslems view people of other faiths, especially Christians and Jews, as filthy infidels whose blood is halal (at least those who has ‘committed a sin’ against Islam.
How do I know this? Because for the first 25 years, I was one of them. So I have up, close, personal and intimate knowledge about this matter.
Although I am now a woman without religion, I still believe in God. God to me is a kind, loving and understanding deity that will in any case consent human to kill another in His name.
To Rima:
Kapan anda pernah melihat penyerangan ke gereja?
Kapan umat muslim membakar gereja? dimana? kapan?
Tidak ada yang menyatakan darah umat selain islam itu halal, banyak sekali sejarah mengenai Nabi Muhammad yang menunjukkan betapa tolerannya nabi kepada selain Islam. 25 tahun anda menjadi Islam tai tidak menemukan kedamaian dalam Islam? anda yakin dulu anda mempelajari Islam dengan benar?? Atau hanya kulitnya saja??
There’s no other religion in the world like islam
Its prophet earn power and follower using sword and blood
Its prophet loves SEX
Its prophet always ask their follower to pray for himself
Its prophet killed at WAR
No wonder Islam now full of violents and dumbness
hmm…So many people hate muslim / Islam
@rima
“Good thing I’m of no religion, I don’t experience this kind of hatred towards other people.”
hmm… but your comment , show it…how you hate other people…
@Eva, Canada
“I think that Mr. Wilders did not mis-represent Islam. There might be nice Muslims, but it takes only eight comments to find two potential murderers”
how could we show our religion ( Islam is not terorist ), if every day we hated by a people like you all ( almost )
example like this one @islamisplague <— :p
First thing I’d do is download the movie (if I could find the torrent)…
my words show i hate people? where did i say that?
i was stating the truth, what’s happened in indonesia. did you know last easter, in bogor if i’m not mistaken, a group of people performing easter mass was threatened to disband, although they had the permission of the kelurahan? and the people who threatened them weren’t even FPI, but just a group of muslim people from nearby?
that is fact. bombings, beheadings and killings are fact. if i share the fact that i was one of them for the first 25 years of my life, there is always some people accusing me of not having understanding the religion enough. well, years at a pesantren, winning mtq and childhood in madrasahs are not enough i suppose.
i left the religion because i dont believe in it anymore, i left it even before 9/11 happened. and i now choose to not believe in any religion because i said it before, God is a loving peaceful understanding deity, who is not arrogant and an egotist and need human protection or defense by jihad or crusade of any kind.
where is the hatred in my words? hatred is what has been protrayed by commenters no 2, 3 and 16.
again, i thank God i am of no religion, i don’t experience hatred anymore, i am just sad to see the world as the victime of hatred of one religion and another.
one more thing i left out. i dont think fitna is bullshit, (nice choice of words, anyway, it really shows peace :p)
i think it is based on factual events, but the maker is no better than muslims extremist, because wilders is also an extremist, he is trying to stir up more hatred.
christian, muslim, hindu, atheist extremists are all the same. the message they convey is of hatred. to hate other people who are not the same with them. that’s where i differ.
of course i dont like fundamentalist and extremist muslim or christian or whatever, but i dont hate them. i dont believe in organized religions, but i do believe in God. i hope God will change these people for the better.
but still, the fact of the matter is, indonesia is not a democracy, it is a tyranny of the majority which is islam at the moment. i dont hate them, i just dont understand their egos and their need to have everybody turned into one of them. the same goes for fundamentalist christians like in the states. (i.e. Bush)
Now, let’s not get over the top here.
I utter the world bullshit and I’m not peaceful? You’ve got some issue to work on miss.
Again, you’re missing the point.
Yes you are of no religion, great. I am of no religion too. And a little more on the extreme side, I think God doesn’t exist.
Terrorists, extremists, radicals, jihad, whatever, I still think it is inappropriate to associate them with the moderate believers.
What I think we all should understand is that FITNA manipulates the viewers, especially to viewers who have basic prejudice against Islam.
Yes, FITNA maybe based on FACTS, but these facts are misunderstood.
Another thing, Indonesia IS a democracy by name. Politically it is liberal. Systematically, it’s also democratic. Although there are corruptions (like anywhere else in the world).
If you were talking about the people, democrazy, being the operative word.
Majority rule, that’s the democratic system. And majority in Indonesia, are Muslims.
The same thing with the United States. Ruled by Christians.
I don’t even know what this discussion is about because it seems we agree on the main thing: Geert Wilders is an irresponsible man.
That’s all I want to point out.
rima, you sounded so dumb that u judge a religion by it’s believer, why on earth dun u judge the religion by itself? you seem like u’ve never even read the Qoran before..
even a non-muslim understands what Islam teaches the muslims but you however only judge it, not learn it. it’s really funny (and sad at the same time) at how you judge a religion. i’m sure you know the fact that nobody’s perfect. with or without religion. everybody makes mistake, right. so if a muslim does something wrong, does it mean that Islam is all wrong? see… u are dumb. (err.. am i a potential killer coz i used the word ‘dumb’? hehehe)
..and.. IF Geert Wilders is really trying to tell us about some ‘real’ facts, and even if they’re really true facts, truest than ever, what good does it make then? NONE!! does it make you happier, or richer or more peaceful rima? i guess not. it only help Mr Wilder to be more rich and famous. and no rima, he’s not sharing it with you hehehehe
dont be angry, i’m just teasing you
this discussion went further because you said that i seemed like a hater. i am not. i don’t like nor do i respect people like wilders, and majority ruling is fine, as long as the minority do not get hurt. the fact of the matter is, in indonesia, the minority has no rights in many aspects, except business, because in business, the minority are more able (chinese kafirs etc)
yes we agree on the fact that wilders is irresponsible, but fitna being bullshit is not one i agree on. i said the film shows factual events, but the perspective on people seeing the movie, that’s another thing. manipulating, you say? i wouldn’t go that far.
basically, those who keep on saying that their religion is one of peace and tolerance should really do what they preach. that’s all.
And do not generalise the Dutch, the Netherlands is not irresponsible, they are against Wilders on this movie. Wilders is the one who insists to do it, but then again, it’s his right. If I were a Muslim, I would just ignore the man, because reacting to a film that people say is trash/bullshit or whatever, doesn’t show good judgment. it’s like pouring gasoline on a small flame.
i will end the ‘discussion’ because, yes, at the end of the day, we both agree on one thing, wilders’ film is not worth the fuss.
this is a link of apology by the dutch people:
http://www.sorryforthefilm.com/en/
Yes, end of discussion.
And people shouldn’t be too naive with the concept of democracy.
Democracy is just a mask that covers everything that is ugly, and glorifying what is good. Indonesia is a victim of democracy, and United States is the best example of how democracy is just, well, simply crazy.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Rima. Been a pleasure.
Sampai Jumpa.
Oh to Gem: Yes, as the line goes
“It’s not the religion, it’s the people that I have problems with”
Why mayority of its believers are dumpsters and low educated populations?
Answer:
Those who are victims of the winner (aka. loser) in real world’s competition, who are hungry, and desperate will easily find FAKE truth in islam, only this religion which perfectly fit to legitimate a bloody revenge for their life sufferings AS WRITTEN IN ITS HOLY BIBLE.
if you are dying in hunger, and/or
if you feel another humans always beat you, and/or
if you feel world is running faster than you are, and/or
if you feel life is unfair, and/or
if you burned in angry for a revenge, and/or
if you are male and love to control women (plural), and/or
if you are a hypocrite, and/or
if you need loyal friends who are in the same boat.
JOIN US NOW!! ISLAM IS ALWAYS RECRUITING..
FREE REGISTRATION..
JUST GIVE US YOUR LIFE AND SOUL!! WE’LL RELEASE YOU FROM YOUR MISSERABLE LIFE. FIGHT FOR ISLAM NOW AND WE’LL GIVE YOU HEAVEN.
please believe in GOD
we are here because of Allah
poor wilder….
he is missing what he dont know
hope allah will blessing him with open his mind and open his heart so he could understand,
- what is Allah blessing
- what is his duty in this world as human being and as god creature
for all my friends
dont pop up your angry for the people who dont understand about islam and muslim
just pray and
lets Allah do his way to make them being as a good human
salam
The problem is: Muslims always say the religion is peace, but they can’t stop their fellow who act violently and perform terrorism, those who say: behead those who insult the religion. Is this a peace?
*Absolute Bullshit*
You see what’s the effect of this film, Geert Wilders is threatened to death, is this something called peace? It is RUBBISH. Can it be called peace if somebody who criticize you must _DIE_? Like Theo van Gogh, who was stabbed because of his actions? Even now Geert Wilders must be protected 24 hours.
You know, in the internet, everybody can do everything, you can see people insulting jews, christians, buddhist. But the victim never say: Kill those who insult us and our god!
You see, people will know you from your actions, not from your mouth. If you say you bring peace, but your actions say otherwise, nobody will believe you.
Please stop hatred, if somebody criticize you or your religion, please respond it using your brain, not with violent actions!
fitna is good. that’s what do we know about islam. islam is not RAHMATAN LIL ‘ALAMIN anymore, as Quran said. so?
Now a respond to FITNA has been published on Youtube. Unfortunately it is only talking about some nutty verses in bible (and claiming that war in Iraq was due to those commands in Bible - sigh). Not refuting FITNA at all.
Now let’s see, whether the Christians will respond violently or they will just ignore the film. Whether the author of this film would be threatened to death, whether Saudi Arabia’s embassy would be threatened (like those Dutch embassy which were stoned by angry people when Fitna was first released)
Wilders is not a muslim neither he is a religious person of Judaism or of christainity.
He is just an ignorant inocent shallow minded interpreter of Islam .
Read more man , read deeply: complete the whole 30 chapters of The Quran and the Tafsirs. Then I dare you to condem Islam .
i m very disapointed by the film fitna if you go back to history books you will find that islam is the religon of peace and harmony muslim emporars were very kind to the minorities during the regiem and if u look at todays conditions you will find that the super powers always wants to distroy there minors and conqure the world by the hook or cook its up to u how you took my masage.
fuck to Geert Wilders…..