I support China, not Tibet.
I do not understand the conflict between China, and Tibet.
I also do not understand why people around the world are protesting to free Tibet out of China.
I mostly do not understand why people are only supporting Tibet.
Tibet’s history with China has never really been pleasant. Starting from claims whether Tibet is part of China, or that the Chinese never gave the same social platform to the Tibetans, I strongly think that Tibetans just need to face the fact that they have been under the Chinese rule long enough to digest the reality.
Just months before the Beijing Olympics, Tibetans ran series of riots, attacking Chinese-owned properties/businesses, and the Chinese people in Lhasa.
I heard a number from 13 to 100 people have died due to the riot, but I don’t believe such statistics matter.
What’s the reason for the uproar caused by these Tibetans? No matter what the reason is, it should not be the excuse to attack other civilians, especially when it is driven by national hatred.
The thing that annoys me is the sensation made global. The support of Tibet around the world has spread, and it is like the Myanmar crisis all over again.
Do they even know what they are protesting for?
They carry signs like “Free Tibet” “Save Tibet” , strong suggestion of the boycott of the Beijing Olympics, and many of the protesters also demand that the Olympic Torch should not make a pass through Tibet.
Why in the sad world would they carry “Free Tibet”, and “Save Tibet” signs when it was the Tibetans that attacked the Chinese civilians?
Why are they saying Tibetans have been marginalized, when it is reported that Tibet has enjoyed the highest and fastest level of economic growth in China, thanks to the Chinese autonomy plan?
And can anyone blame the Chinese government to be ‘cautious’ of the moves made in Tibet that can lead to separatism, and violence?
Tourists in Tibet testified that the Tibetans ran through Chinese businesses, and targeting Chinese people to be victims of attack.
Because of what?
The fact that decades ago the Chinese government suppressed their rights? Does this make it right for a revenge attack?
So would it be OK for the Chinese now, to attack the Japanese for what they did in World War II?
And to these protestors, to free Tibet out of China is not only stupid, but economically suicidal to the Tibetans. How is Tibet going to survive without the booming help of China? Besides that, is Tibet capable of maintaining its economic development, when many of the businesses in Tibet are Chinese-based? With this movement, it will also lengthen the China-Tibet conflict, and this won’t be good for Tibet with China emerging as the new giant in the modern economy.
Is this the price tag of freedom?
I have a strong feeling that the Lhasa Riot was a planned one. These rioters were provoked, and the Olympics is made as the medal of boycott.
One thing I am sure about is that, attempts to boycott the Olympics will not be successful. It is a prestigious event made by China, and countries like Indonesia, Australia, Singapore, etc. will not risk their relationships with China as it remains as an important business partner.
What about india interest on TIbets.
Is Tibets really need to be independence, since their geographical / geopolitical not critical for china but for india/nepal etc. its also could become “schmeltztigel”.
Tibet is more likely to Kurdistan, and it’s difficult to made them like Vatican city of Himalaya regions.
The main problem China occupied Tibets and it’s was their great failure in their History.
Idd, I totally support your idea.
The Tibet protest is well overrated. I dont justified what China has done to the Tibet ppl. But the Dalai Lama himself is in my opinion no more then a smart politician playing the underdog and let himself used a pion by the americans.
He is using its religion powers to gain political powers. What would euripean say when the pope wants to be the head of the eu?
I dont think so, putting the dalai back in seats is turning time back 500 years…
Unfortunaly, the western press like to tell a different story
I agree with you.
I have no respect for Dalai Lama, I think he is one of the West toys.
Bringing peace to Tibet? It has been peaceful until Dalai Lama spoke against the Chinese government and indirectly provoked the Tibetans.
Tibet has enjoyed growth, and Dalai Lama is not willing to let it happen without him.
Tibetans are naive to think that someone like Dalai Lama is fighting for their rights.
Whoever put this video..I say Free Tibet……And Tibet Will Be Free…Tibet Is not part of china…!!!!!!
I support China !
I feel deeply humiliated by the obscene reactions of the western medias.
Not a Nation being humiliated by the West, but a whole continent !
The point is: the West ressent the new Asian reborn, they have always a good reason to deny our success.
These are old colonial reflex.
Who are they, to dictate us our conduit ?
All Asian unite behind the Chinese Flag !
April 30th 1975: Tibetan, remember the fate of those who once were supported by the west in their fight for freedom….
The real reason why the Western World yells ‘Free Tibet’ is because they hate seeing a non-white country like China becoming poweful.The West doesn’t actually know where Tibet is,they are using ‘Tibet’ as an excuse to incite racism against ‘Asians’ (without realising the hypocricy that Tibetans are also Asians).Westerners are so pathetic they go to any length to insult ‘Asians’- They spread racist videos about Chinese&Koreans eating dogs,and attack Japanese whaling fleets and insult Japanese for whaling because they are ‘Asian’.Never mind that Norway kills more minke whales each year than Japanese,Westerners don’t care because ‘Northern Europeans’ are their white brothers.They just want to incite hatred against Asians and turn asians against each other because the West wants to keep asians as ’slaves’.Westerners hate seeing a new,emerging powerful Asia that rebels.They reminisce and want to bring back the the days when Asia was oppressed,humiliated and oppressed by dividing Asians,espescially China.I am Taiwanese(happy to call myself chinese),but I can see behing the Westerners and Americans Agenda of spreading anti-Asian hatred,espescially to East Asians like Chinese,Taiwanese Chinese,Japanese,Koreans.USA only wants Taiwan as a ‘buffer’ against China so they can continue to dominate and spy on Asia.As far as I see,many asians are not that stupid anymore.
Well said.
I couldn’t agree more.
Nice to know there are people who share similar insights.
I am oversea chinese born and living outside China. Educated by the Jesuits schools and have a little history of China. The legitimacy of China over tibets is the not issue.
The issue is about hypocrisy of West not able to stomach the richness of the China wisdom in the abitlity to govern.Long before the Greek able to form or establish the modern goverment institution, China is well ahead of time.
China have been governing and have there own goverment institution.
Who is a better master A Chinese or Western people. We(US) are civilized people rule by the a democratic goverment.. by the people for the people.. this line is such a lie.. let the red indian and the black talk about there white master.
do you know why oprah show is so popular it is becuase the show is about freedom from white prejudice over other races.which is happening everyday in america… .. SELF EMPOWERMENT… is america is such a perfect state why can’t they take care of there people suffering from high cost of medical treatment of die without treatment at all..let latin american or mexican american….
what is the basis of the people to say what is better. i still think the basis essentail must be attained by the governing country….
a) housing, schooling, medical treatment and food.
b) security, justice system, work avialability and maintenance of peace enviroment
c) privilege to none treatment………… equality… egual chance to succeed.. equal chance to work.. equal chance for self perservation… equal change for good medical treatment… equal chance to justice system…
EQUALITY…. can America truely spell this words…i have observe in the big corperation run the smith,bell, parker and etc….. i like to see family name of garcia,lee, mohammed, and other
please there is no monopoly of wisdom to govern…. we are chinese have only the tradition that we understand we are not forcing it to other but only respecting other ways.. respect our ways…
i agree with you! i support China!
who are u fooling… who are the people behind the opium trade in china… who put the tibet into slavery…who fool the world that there mass distraction weapon in iraq. after the blunder whast do they say oooooooppss sorry… who went to war with- out consent of the world…. who are the people in the support of da lai lama… who is spending for this…. who master the the art black slavery….divide and conquer… mmmmmmm… make sense… divide eh….good…tactic… poor execution….poor strategy….poor spoke person…poor timing….poor killing…
what a waste….
we dont buy it anymore…..who are you fooling….
ONLY THE AMERICAN.. one dream…still dreaming…still dreaming….dream on….dude.
whether you like it or not the protest is not from ‘hypocritical governments’ but many, many ordinary people. and these people are not only trying to allow the tibetan people freedom of choice in how they choose to live – if they want chinese people to help them they will ASK them, not be occupied by them. the protesters are trying to protect YOUR human rights too. your lovely government, took power undemocratically, killed millions of your own people, has continued to kill and persecute and dissenters, murdered your students in tianneman square and if you chose to not agree with them would throw you in prison, and yet you still agree with the way they operate?. congratulations on signing your own prison sentences. personally i have no love for western governments either, but i do have a love people no matter where they are from, asian, white, black they should have the choice to choose who governs them, and you should be part of that too in your own country and in tibet.
Yes, governments, any government, should not be fully trusted – I do agree with that.
But to bring out the Tiananmen Square everytime someone speaks of China is unjust.
We can’t use the past incidents to categorize the current administrations, because if we do that, then all governments are of no integrity and credibility. Every government has their shares of ‘genocides’ in the past.
I don’t think the riot just happened because one day they just got fed up with the government. There must be an agenda, and a provocateur in the incident. And who can they influence? That’s right, Ordinary people, indeed.
But can these ‘ordinary rioters’ represent the whole population of Lhasa? Can we as the public, generalize that none of the Tibetans are happy with the economic growth the Chinese government has brought upon them?
The other thing that makes me upset is the involvement of Dalai Lama. He is in no way a face of democracy, or everything that the “West” desires, but he has generated strong support. Why?
Can someone in their right mind imagine what would happen to Lhasa if Dalai Lama was the ruler?
Does Tibet, or just these rioters, want Dalai Lama to rule them?
That is a fact the media should really dig into, and the public should know.
I think there is a good reason behind the “Free Tibet” movement. It is the fact that Chinese business owners are increasing the poverty of the local tibetens. I mean what if (for US people) Canadians came in and started their own businesses, forcing you into poverty? That is what it is like it Tibet.
And the Dalia Lhama had nothing to do with the slavery in Tibet during british rule (unlike what the Chinese propoganda machine would like you to think). He is for peace and harmony.
So FREE TIBET. There. Ha.
Oh, and I remember a perfect quote for you anti-democracy people:
“A goverment must give it’s people the whole truth, even if it is ugly or disturbing. For a goverment that does not tell it’s people the whole truth is and let the people decide what to do with the truth is a goverment that fears it’s people.”
Spartan,
First, Canadians need not need to go into the USA to start businesses.
In fact that sort of Migration has happened in the USA.
Many immigrants have flocked to the United States and take the jobs of those of the Americans. Instead of creating poverty, like your theory, it actually promotes jobs, and further develop the industry.
Tibet has a special autonomy plan, yes, Chinese businesses exist in Tibet (Doh, it’s China) and no they are not driving the Tibetans into poverty. Five decades of rule by China, Tibet along with Tibetans have emerged as one of the most successful in China.
Not just according to China, but it can be proven by other reports.
China is not too stupid to lie about this matter because a progress of a city will be apparent, and you can’t hide it.
The fact that the Riot happened was not of economic reason, but it was said to be ’social oppression’, and I strongly think due to the fact of China’s takeover five decades ago.
Tibetans still hold the grudge against China.
Dalai Lama had nothing to do with the slavery. Directly, no. But he was a puppet, or should I say, still is a puppet to the West. He was funded by the CIA, for what? I have no clear reason, but I’m sure it had something to do with United States against the communism ideology.
Dalai Lama always states that he has no means to get engaged with politics, but it is apparent that he does.
Up until now, it has been Media Distortion, not Dalai Lama, that provokes the global “Pro-Free Tibet” campaign.
Every government issues propaganda, it is just easier for so called “Democratic” governments to implement it, due to its placebo effect, which people think is true. Don’t be naive to this fact.
And to say that we are “Anti-democratic” just because we don’t believe in separatism says a lot about people like you.
If you were so democratic, you would not have portrayed the Tibetans not just by rioters, because there are more Tibetans who did not riot and are happy by the ruling of China.
If you believe in democracy, you should not condone the violence acted by these rioters against the Chinese.
For your last “perfect” quote: Are you talking about the USA or China? Cause it sure as hell, make no difference.
Communism or Democracy, it’s just a status.
Well put, princejake!
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TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT TIBET IS GOING TO BE ‘FREED’ , WHATEVER YOU MEAN BY THAT, WELL EXCUSE ME. NO OFFENSE OR ANYTHING AND SORRY TO LOWER YOUR HOPES BUT NO. TIBET IS PART OF CHINA AND ALWAYS WILL BE, YOU GOT THAT? IF THE OLYMPICS DON’T GO ON THEN FINE
……………………………………… BUT TIBET IS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER GOING TO BE SEPARATED FROM CHINA
It is not about supporting about Supporting Tibet or Supporting China. I don’t think most of the readers of this blog realize that the human rights abuses are still happening. This isn’t just 50 years. People are still being tortured and killed because they want freedom to practice their religion. What I don’t understand is… Why is the Chinese Government so afraid to let people talk about the Dalai Lama?? He is not the evil person that most Chinese think he is. I think some of you are so “brainwashed” by the Chinese government and media that you are not able to look at the whole picture. Do you realize that your mediai s being black out by your government. If the Chinese government is so sure that over 1.2 billion of you agree with the government’s policies why are they blocking your information, censoring youtube. and Don’t you think YOU have the right to decide what you think is appropriate. By the way… I am Tibetan. I have no absolute no hatred for the Chinese people. What I am against is the government. The government that is constantly suppressing my people.
Secondly,
How would you feel, IF 1.4 billion people were suppressing you. What IF we were forcing you to practice our religion? What if we sent you to prison for questioning the HHDL? You wouldn’t like it…. right? Just think about…
hahaha wow prince jake.
its called some INDEPENDENCE.
EVERY county on this entire planet is entitled to it.
and to “YOUKNOWWHAT”…are you joking? you just seem tooo knowledgeable.
Hah. No.: Not everyone is entitled to Independence, especially in a way to form a nation. This is not a call for independence. The move made was simply an act of separatism. And that is a whole different story. And yes, Tibet is better with China.
To Kunsang:
I am not brainwashed by the media of China nor the government, and I don’t expose myself much to the Chinese media.
In fact, I have been overexposed to the Western media, who are always against the government and ones that proclaim China is bad and in many ways that Tibet should be free.
In that matter, I made research about the China – Tibet issue, and hands down, I take my side with China’s idea.
1.4 billion people are not suppressing Tibet. China is declared an atheist state, since when is a status of no religion bad? Why do religions have to be the very foundation of goodness?
The government of China has the right to declare itself an Atheist nation, a practice of religion by the Tibetans cannot change that. China hasn’t taken a hard stand on Tibet for more than a decade since its booming economy, but the rioters have used the Olympics to provoke the government. It is only right for the Government for a crackdown, or else chaos will spread.
Again, I never generalize all Tibetans with these rioters, because I know like many Chinese, Tibetans are part of Chinese. These rioters are just a very small picture of Tibet that is magnified by the International community, and those who have negative interests for China use this as an opportunity.
China has never spoken about Dalai Lama because there is nothing to be spoken of. He was exiled because he was against a big part of China. End of story. Why should that be of any importance that China wants to sensationalize?
I strongly doubt that Dalai Lama would bring the achievement China has done to Tibet if he was to rule over Tibet. Even if he is capable of doing so, he would be helped by his western counterparts, like the United States, and thus Tibet will again be colonized. And the glory of religious and spiritual matter will once again spark.
The blocking of YouTube was not because China was wrong, but I can frankly say that China has realized that the media, like YouTube which is uncontrolled and uncensored can be a medium of provocation.
I am not saying that the government of China is always right and superior, but I believe that they are not as bad as what the media have portrayed. I strongly believe too that Tibet should make good use with being linked to China. After all, Tibet and China share close physical and cultural affairs.
Norway supports China, and believes Tibet is, was and Will always be a part of China.
We also support Japan/Nihon in the Whaling cases. The USA, Australia and UK doesn’t understand that it’s part of our countries Cultures!
So China; Don’t give in to the ignorant Americans!
Free Tibet? What a joke! But it is not funny.
Those people who support Free Tibet movement please make sure you have the real power to undertake your action, but just not cry out like a coward and hide in western contries as a refugee.
To free or revolutionise a paticular region, people holding that dream have to be fearless to get wounded and ready to sacrifice their life. They need to call up all their people who share the same value with them to fight against the authority government, but not just act as a clown to attack the ordinary people and their business. Unfortunately, the actions carried out by those people who urge to free Tibet failed to match their extrodinary dream until now. All we have seen is a small number of rioters destoring the residents’ life and properties in Tibet – Yes, a group of people chanting human rights and democracy have acturally destroyed others’ human rights of enjoying a peaceful life. Performing like this, how can those Free Tibet people get the respect from us, the Chinese?
Those people intending to free Tibet, you need to ask yourself, can you afford to take the action to match your dream? Or you are just capable of doing things like what you have done previously? Or you are already aware of the reality that you have very limited supporters to undertake your great plan?
The media says that Tibet is “peacefully” protesting, and trying to “bond” with China?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
More like attacking citizens and burning down buildings! yeah they’re bonding, real peaceful.
IF Tibet has an actual reason to protest it at least shouldn’t be like this!!!
i’m an american, but i support china in all of her endeavors.
i don’t know whom to support. Please, if somebody take the effort to give ansers to my few questions – which would help me to take my decision…
My Questions are…
1) Did anybody forced Dalai lama out of tibet? or why he is not going to tibet?
2) are the chinese really supressing tibets? if yes, how? and from when?
3) when did the revolution started?
enough for now…
first let me know these things, thanks
The robots who are running China should know that regardless of appearances they will never own what is essentially Tibet. Many Chinese don’t seem to understand that Tibetans have no interest in their definition of “progress”. They’re interested in living a life built around spirituality, traditions and their ancient culture. China’s idea of progress is not progress but it’s ultimate death sentence. Materialism and worshipping “things” will lead only the extinction of China. The same goes for other countries that are rooted deeply in placing materialism above the all-inclusive reality that is consciousness, love, or what many call “god”. Ask real Tibetans in private what they want, not others posing as Tibetans for cameras. Tibetans unanimously want non-tibetans out of Tibet. If you are Chinese and you ignore this then you are anti-freedom, anti-tibetan, anti-peace, anti-free will, and anti-nature. It is the inherent urge within humans to be free, to live free, to love, and to choose how and who will govern them. It is more than obvious that China wants Tibet in order to exploit its resources, lumber, uranium, water, etc. Anyone with a brain can see this with perfect clarity. If you don’t see this you are blinded by your vested interest in the position of your government. All humans without exception are inherently flawed and have done ruthless, horrendous things against others. There are no exceptions. Right now, today, right here, the subject is Tibet and Tibetans want to be free, want to be independent, want to be left alone to live a life centered around their religion. Obviously, if you oppress any group of people long enough you will get an explosion and they go about and blame them for exploding. Ridiculous! There’s no rationalization for violence in this scenario but like an human being Tibetans will eventually need to release the accumulated oppression and suppression that they have been living with for more than 50 years. China, just leave, get on the train you built just to screw up Tibet and leave, Get out now! You are not wanted or welcome. Never have been. All the rationalizations, justifications and explanations in the world will not make what you are doing right, moral or humane. It just won’t. You are standing on a fictional foundation and have no legitimate reason to be in Tibet. Tibet is for Tibetans! Get out of our land, out of our towns, out of our politics, out of our lives, etc. Leave, our land alone, our water, our resources, our people, our temples and monasteries alone. Do this now or you will eventually experience your own self-generated misery.
To 29 peace
Yes, Tibet is for Tibetans, but the Tibetan here does not purely mean a race, but all the residents who live in Tibet. Clearly, Tibetans are not only people like you, but the large majority of migrant recidents from all parts of China.
If you stand for the group that you called the “Tibetans”, who don’t want to be rule by China, your should see clearly about how the reality differs from your dream. Yes, you can not be independent, because the China government will never let you do. It just won’t.
The key thing here is not whether you are interested in the progress brought by China or not, but whether the majority of people in Tibet are willing to do so.
Yes, people have the freedom to do whatever they want to. So, if you are not happy remaining in Tibet, fine, you are allowed to go and find your dreamworld. Go ahead please.
But if you want to achieve your target but destory others, it is no longer a simple issue about human rights or freedom. It relates another issue called power. So, people like you, please get ready to fight and sacrifice for your dream, to get all Chinese out of your land, to take back the ownership of your land. You need to show your power. You need to push all the Chinese to leave from your precious property through your effort. But please do not just sit and ask them to go. Why should they go? Who have the right to ask them to give up their living ways and to leave? You? I am so sorry, unless you have the power.
It is not a simple issue. You-can-get-what-you-need only happens when your group is powerful enough to protect your interest. Now Tibet is still a part of China. The residents in Tibet represent not only people in your group, but significantly, a large persentage those who are from China. Everyone has the freedom to seek his/her dream of life, including you, as well as Chinese in Tibet. What if conflicts of interests happen? Ask the government for help. But what if the group’s interest oppsites against the government’s? The group needs to pick up a possible option. You have three options: fight, fit, or leave. What are you going to choose?
Hi.
I was looking for the words “support” and “china” due the earthquake of may 12 2008. And I found this discusion at the top. Well, like a free people of the world I would like to express my opinion.
I really think that many people express their free opinion all arround the world due to the incidents in Tibet. Many people was just out of the polithical world out of “western interest mind”. Like many people is against the situation of Irak and the use of brutal power to subdue many others. That’s a basic reaction to people that is not benefiting of the afairs or involved in a quarrel. However, it is also a basic consiousness of the things. Like the kid that sais to the fathers… can you stop fighting?!
When I read this, I saw to much heatred still… and proud. Like the proud America (USA) that you are trying to put like a dreadfull animal. It is indeed though. When every country have power, it is very interesting because probably it would like to be more powerfull, and when it is more powerfull try to keep that way and probably still keep desairing that thing. Of course power doesn’t respect human rights many times, it has another aim. Of course if power give good things to the conquered people, it is ok. However, the powerfull country is in control.
I come from a conquered america and I’m result of an old quarel. I have asimilated the language of the conquerors and I’m not in quarrel with them any more. More than that I accept my ansestors of many countries and I’m proud of my ancient heritage.
The problem with Tibet and Iraq is that they haven’t passed 500 years like conquered countries. They still have their traditions, language and spirit in this case like ideology or religion very strong.
The first thing that the conqueror tried to do in the Americas was to destroy all resamblance of the ancient ideology, system and religion. But let me tell you that still. After 500 years. With new problems and new challenges and without heatred.
Heatread in humans is not only about diferences in countries. But inside a country because the reagions. And inside the reagions because the economical status. Man like to put baundries and beleave that is part of something. The problem is that outside this small circle, man doesn’t care about the well being of oters. Mistrust, and fear. Fear to loose their own privileges and ideologies.
I think western and eastern people is not fighting. Countries are fighting. And we support them meantime we are not working to accept others different to us.
I love Chinese culture. Yi Ching. Confusious. Tao. I love Japanese culture Buddhism, Zen and adventure with the samurai like ficcion. Sorry, I don’t mention other countries. Some times is because we don’t know eachother. Comunism, I’m sorry but I just have little experience to that. However, I thing that each country has the right to try to do their own process in that matter like Cuba. Of course will be mistakes but many good results too.
Like a free people with my own small knowdlage of the conflict, like human, no westener. I support the free of Tibet, like I support the freedom of Meadle West countries by the new conquerors. Not becuase is bad or good.
Our new societies are not the ancient ones. Our power is still in our millitary but now ideology is the new power over the councience of everyone. Our new societies have grown up many people out of the military, out of the interest in power that leads each country. I’m one of them.
In the past I’ve read some books about Tibet and I’ve idealied it. I’ve also seen the work of Dalai Lama in news. I haven’t read any book of him thoug. But the ideal of peace and harmony even if it is a ficcion still in humanity is very important. Every culture have cherished this ideals in different ways and int he words of wise man. I support this ideal even with my big limitations has human.
About the political situation of Tibet. I think human rights and love, cooperation will always fight against death, humilliation and separatism.
I’m a result of the people who love and went beyond the boundries of countries and conquerer/conquered people. In my name is reflected people from meaddle eastern, christian people, jewish people. Many people who tried and try to make their life right beyond a life out of sense. But also I look up for my own points of view in Asia, in occident, in my ancient systems, in science and religion. Like many people here, I consider myself a free thinker.
The people who said free Tibet is not just westeners I beleave. We are just people with our own backgrounds. And we probably are mistaked because we are in lack of many information. Or like you guys in China have their own point of view, and like the guys in Tibet they have their own one. But whatever happened everyone of us I bealived we have to fight for the value of help others no matter external appearience or etnicity. This is the only way to continue living.
For now, I hope we cand find a way to give grain of sand in helping China with the earthquake.
Darling, YES: Darling, it’s easy to understand why you don’t understand (why Tibet… etc). There are no arguments to explain you the reason, because you know that reason well and you don’t respect it. I have the only answer for your problem – let me know, let’s explain: why China is not a part of Tibet?
Yes, I agree with you, Princejake!
Dude, seriously, I can NOT aggree with you more.
It is ridiculous what the western media is doing, absolutely unbelievable…
Can I copy and paste what you wrote here onto my site?
Congrates
I have trouble understanding something. It’s very noble that protesters are crying out for “human rights” and “freedom,” and obviously every human being should be entitled to that. However, what do the protesters mean by “free Tibet”? I read some articles written by a Yale history professor, and I have to ask why is the Tibetan society so screwed up before the Chinese took over? It seems like the complete antithesis of what the protesters seem to ask for. “The society much resembles that of feudal Europe during the Dark Ages, where all the land were owned by a tiny minority of religious aristocrats, and the vast majority of the people lived much like slaves. People were put in shackles and bought and sold as their masters pleased.” The average life-span of a person was somewhere in the 30s. I never knew that before Chinese rule, they were so backwards both mentally and socially. I cannot help, but think that all the protests are a simple pretext for restoring the indecent and uncivilized theocracy that it was before. I really don’t know if Tibetans know what freedom and human rights are. They know how to speak those words, but it seems like that they don’t understand their meaning. It seems like that there are even less human rights and freedom before the Chinese took over.
I also don’t understand why they must sabotage the great Western Olympic tradition with such barbaric and distasteful manners of protest for something that they don’t seem to understand themselves. I’m afraid to admit that the Tibetan method before and now are beyond my notion of civilized behavior and human decency.
well ppl..if u dun hv any respect for dalai lama….so dun no one is forcin u but pliz dun say something tht u dun knw…okai…and by the way there is still opression going on not only to tibetans who are in china but also to chinese ppl,.,,,have u not seen the news,,,where chinese ppl were asking help of media to reveal the truth or what is going on in the chinese government…wether u support tibet or not…jst dun start blabbing if you dun knw nothin abt it…..i can say only one thing and that is TIBET IS NOT A PART OF CHINA…….FREE TIBET
I support the Chinese before I would support America, and I’m, well, I feel disgusted saying this, but an American. I’m glad China is rising, it shows Communist Power flexing and blooming with it’s full powerful potential. Go China for Beijing 2008, I look forward to a magnificent Opening Ceremony. And as for Tibet, before you and the Dalai Llama want to bash China, make sure you can adress the fact on a International Scale that you never set terms with the Chinese Government to recognize your Independence. Oh My God! Look Tibet, we’re all not leechable jackasses!
to tenzi
Ok, I can say something to you because I am one of the people who do know everything about it.
The true story is TIBET IS A PART OF CHINA FOR EVER. there is no phrase like ‘FREE TIBET’, cause TIBET is just under the control of its own government.
The real point is, if you want to take over TIBET under your control, come on, please do not HESITATE TO COME AND SHOW YOUR POWER TO THE WORLD!
Thanks!
I see a lot of people on this bored darning protesters to “show their power” and “Tibet is part of China.” Is this really the best argument? That would be like me taking your wallet and then daring you to take it back from me and then after 50 years telling you to get over it. The fact is that China took Tibet by force, slaughtering millions in the process. But there is also China’s abysmal human rights record which no one seems willing to debate.
We all know about the prisons and the political prisoners and the censorship (which someone on this board said was necessary because “youtube can be a medium of provocation.” So can a hand signal. The point here is that censorship is immoral because it limits people’s most basic freedom… the freedom to make up their own mind. The freedom to weigh your available options and DECIDE what you want to do.
And to the guy who said “Communism is flexing its true power,” Communism can NEVER work because it relies too much on the pipe dream of a collective. People will always look out for themselves and their families first, everyone else is a distant second.
By the way, before anyone says anything, I hate “Free Tibet” people. Half of them don’t know what they’re talking about and only signed on for the free drugs.
we’ve been attacked by western medias for long time. The big question is that why they never see their backyard. Iraq, afghanistan, ! What the f*** are they doing there????
Indonesia once made a mistake of letting timorleste freed from us. Now, timorleste is just a piece of sh** trying to get attention.
F*** off westerners….I STRONGLY SUPPORT CHINA !!!
bros, anyone knows about the music background? would u kindly tell me what is the tittle of it?
Hey, I’m sorry Akhyari, I have no idea what the music background is. (I’m pretty bad with music)
You could ask the guy who posted the video. He might know.
Sorry, can’t really help
i totally agree.
the olympics are coming up so the tibetans might as well be happy for china.
i guess some people are jealous of china which is probably why they support tibet instead of them.
i see a lot of people making fun of chinese people these days.
if you see anything on the news that say china lies, tibet lies! unless your chinese you might be very jealous reading this!
if you hate china, too bad! it’s gonna be one of the best countries in the world in the future!
I am an asian, borned and raised in asian communist country. So I know what it is. I am glad I am no longer living in one of those countries. You guys are wrong. Dont just listen what communists say, but look at what they do and all covers up.
About China, long time people has been refer western as “greedy pig” and now it is the term for China, “GREEDY DRAGON” and trying to be a FAT ASS dragon. SO FUNNY. HAHAHAHA. K/A.
China is truely a THIEF. 1ST trying claim Tibets, Taiwan, and Paracel Islands from Vietnam. Next moves will be Mognolia, Lao, Thailand, Cambodia. Com’on, not only chinese know how to speak chinese. Those countries was influence by chinese and it doesn’t mean it is a part of china. How far can u go back?
Read this link and see why china is truely a THIEF.
http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/explore/todd.html
AsianOne,
Right from your comment,I can see you definitely hate Chinese without any supporting and constructive reasons. This groundless prejudice and discrimination against Chinese,as a member of Asia, proves that you don’t deserve to call yourself “AsianOne”.
As a Chinese,i’m proud of who I am but you are a degrace to Asian. Never trust what communists say? Who the hell do you think you are?I am not a communist, but I firmly believe the Chinese communist party is steering China into a brighter and better future ever.
I read your so-called scholarly article, if you know the history of Paracel Island enough or if you have been Paracel Island, you could know the first inhabitant was actually Chinese and that was in Tang Dynasty(618-907), way before first first Vietnamese documentation of formal exercise of authority over the Hoang sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly)
To Claud
Those other residents of which you speak are predominantly Han-Chinese who have either been moved to Tibet or lured into Tibet with perks. The Chinese government is purposely moving in enough Han-Chinese in order to overwhelm the indigenous Tibetan population. Prior to the invasion there were very few Chinese in Tibet, only in border areas which is common between neighboring countries.
I wasn’t just talking about me in terms of the word “progress”. The vast majority of Tibetans do want some progress and some reforms but they wanted this to be left up to Tibetans and not Chinese and certainly not at the expense of their language, culture and Tibetan footprint in Tibet, our sacred homeland.
You might be happy where you are right now but if you were invaded by another country, overwhelmed with their population, if your Father protested and ended up dying in prison and if your Mother was tortured in prison with a cattle prod you might feel differently.
If we fight we not only lose our land but we lose a piece of territory the Chinese can’t take, our integrity, our religion rooted in compassion and non-violence. If we fight we continue the cycle of war, hate and oppression in the world. The world doesn’t need another industrial military system.
If I move on to your land, rape your Mother, kill your Father, make it impossible for you to speak your own language, loot your land, destroy your most sacred structures and then I go out and lie to the world would you feel you have the right to ask me to leave?
What you suggest is war, force, violence, anger, hate, etc. All this has nothing to do with power from a Tibetan viewpoint. These only reflect a deep sense of fear and a basic state of weakness.
Our dream life is simply our country, our freedom to self rule, religious worship, our land and space, our wildlife, our resources, our freedom of movement.
We Tibetans should not have to try to fit into our own country. That’s nonsense. So if you were invaded and surrounded by insane people you’d become insane in order to fit in? Good luck with that.
I can’t choose for all Tibetans but I can tell you that the ones that I know, the hundreds that I have encountered want their country back. Just because the Chinese government says, hey all Chinese who want to, go to Tibet, we’ll even give you some incentives, This does not make it right, morally or in any other way for all that matters. Once you decide to move into a country uninvited by the people of that country and you know the Chinese government is doing massive harm to Tibet and Tibetans then you are instantly complicit and you are busy creating thousands of future negative lifetimes for yourself and the future suffering will be immense. We Tibetans do not hate Chinese, we feel compassion, as we see what the Chinese coming to Tibet are busy creating for themselves. We only seek an end to a cycle that humanity has perpetuated for eons, as the planet can no longer absorb the effects of wars, obsessive materialism and the massive destruction of the environment.
this article is totaly biased no matter what chinese say tibet can never be a chinese province irrespective of whether PLA hold it after 1950s or during Mongol empire its a matter of debate, what tibetans are concern currently is the basic human rights the rights of religion the rights of freedom of expression…chinese govt put lot of restrictions on tibetans, huge influx of chinese settlers into tibet threaten the basic survival of tibetan culture and religion and it also give birth to economic marginalisation between tibetans and chinese though govt says it pours millions of dollars into the region to modernize tibet and its people, but surprisingly its mainly to attract chinese migrant workers who are often given govt incentive plans to settle in tibet if they could do so then tibetans would be marginalized and tibetan ressistance would be diminished….however for the past several years tibetan people have been struggling between increasing chinese settlers which threats their cultural survival and economic impoverishment for them derives some kind of resentment where unwillingly they had targeted chinese belongings such as shops,vehicles,sign boards even hurting them phisically, tibetans knew doing that they would be in great trouble and they wonn’t be spared by the authority but they couldn’t follow the path of tibetan culture of compassion and love cuz they felt their whole ehtnicity and religion are under attacked….now this is the time that the CPC govt. should realize and the time to take initiative to resolve in a peaceful manner where all enthnic people ( tibetans chinese etc.) can coexist…this is the right time where chinese govt should accept the peace proposal of his holiness the dalai lama who is the supreme undisputed leader of tibetan people to settle tibet issue under his moral authority, by accepting chinese govt not only will gain moral support from tibetans but also a legitimacy over tibet which they could never get without the dalai lama’s support internationaly( PLA invasion of tibet 1950 )…….may things slightly get change to minds of leaders who lay orders causing mass destruction Om Mani Pedme Hung!!!
I support China and that FREE TIBET website and all of these anti-China/pro-Tibet videos on YouTube will not change a single thing.
You do not understand why there is conflict between Tibet and China, or why people around the world want to help free Tibet? Or is it that you choose to not understand and look the way?
Here’s the short answer. Genocide=bad, torturing buddhist monks=bad, repressing a nation of peaceful beings by using force and violence=bad.
Did you know that Canadian Archives released information this month about Canada’s External Affairs department in 1950 essentially concluding the Chinese incursion was a violation against Tibet’s nationhood!
Tibet was an independent state. It is submitted that ”the Chinese claim to sovereignty over Tibet is not well-founded,” says the Nov. 21, 1950, legal opinion by External Affairs.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
peace
karing kaur
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Now let’s look at it from an unbiased neutral point of view:
http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/free-tibet.html
To those anti-china comments,
I’m a British citizen who studied and lived in UK most of my life, just so you people know before branding me a brainwashed communist Chinese. I also support freedom and human right, but not if more people will suffer so that a handful of people can enjoyed it for a while. I can understand why many people in the west would support the free-tibet movement. Most people in the west were brought up with the idea that freedom is good, colonialization is bad and you shouldn’t invade another country without good reason. They are teaching their children to not repeat the mistake their ancestors made in slavery and making colonies around the world. Howver, this is not about Europe, and people in east asia have a different history and culture. If anyone bothered to study Chinese history, they would realise that too many blood has been spilled in civil wars and revolutions. If Tibet or Xinjiang truly become independent now due to foreign interventions, the majority of people in China will definetly pressure the government to take it back. Also, due to decades of being part of China, many Tibetans and Uighurs are living all over China and outside their native region if not most of them. The ones that are truly uncontent with their lives are those without a job and education, and blaming those who are richer, who just happened to be Hans. This is a dilemma faced by many overseas Chinese and Jews (before WWII); they migrate to another region for a better life and more opportunity, and when their hardwork paid off and made them richer than the locals, the locals become jealous and blame them for taking their wealth. The Chinese who migrated to the two troubled regions never took away opportunities from the locals, only made more, even if some Han employers only employ other Han Chinese and prejudice against the locals. Think about it, if a peasant in a small town is making a living out of selling trinkets, and many migrants come over and settle down and build tall buildings and businesses and getting rich, the peasant may be left behind the economic boom if they to adapt and seize some opportunites, but the migrants didn’t steal his job, in fact, if the migrant didn’t come, their would be even less business and opportunities. If you think Tibet should only be a place for native Tibetans etc, then you are probably against globalization and migration, which require another debate.
For those saying that China is suppressing Tibet and its people, I hope you didn’t some serious research and not just relying on News (because the media need to dramatize things to get a views). Yes, many Tibetans were killed in the past, but that’s cultural revolutions, which happened all over China and most Chinese hate it. Now, China is different despite still not democratic. The life of majority people have improved and learning from mistakes, the government is investing in those troubled regions to rebuild the temples that were destroyed and providing opportunities. There will always be trouble along the way, and it’s good that the foreign medias are giving a voice to those oppressed in the whole of China, as long as they are a balanced report.
Also, many free-tibet people like to say Chinese this, Tibetan that etc. However, who are the Chinese and who are the Tibetans really? If Chinese are people who live in the rest of the China, then they are group a diversity of ethnic into one group. If that’s what they meant, then it’s strange that out of the many minorities living in peace with each other in China, the Tibetans are ust so much harder to please, many they are being spoilt by the Western attentions. So who are the Tibetans? Just those living in Tibet right now, or all those who identify themselves as Tibetans all over China? Because there are so many Tibetans enjoying the freedom of travelling and living in the whole of China and taking the advantage of opportunities given, I doubt they would want Tibet to be independent. Similar with Uighurs.
So what is wrong? By law, they are even given more perks to help them advance in life than the majority Han. The biggest problem is actually religious freedom. If you look at the troubled regions, they tend to be ones that are very religious compared to the rest of China. Inner mongolia didn’t make a fuss, the ethnic divers region of Yunnan didn’t either. Unlike Europe and the Middle East, China didn’t take religion so seriously, no holy wars etc. So, as a nation, all religion are treated the same with the similar restrictions and approval requirements. In religious regions, some restrictions may be too much for the religious people, maybe for them, they would rather live in poverty than not able to have a portrait of Dalai Lama for worship. However, their views doesn’t represent everyone. The west is more religious, so supression of religion is a bigger deal to them than an average Chinese who concern more about giving their family a better life than rights of worship. Such cultural differences could be the cause for some confrontations. Bottom line is China is not perfect, it’s too diverse to be truly unified like an European country, it’s goverment will keep continue making mistakes, but also learn from them, if the majority people are truly angry, they will unite and not even the military can crush them. So for now, let’s not jump into conclusions and get prejudice. It will always feel good shouting ‘freedom’ and ‘human right’, but do we really know what it means if everyone can have everything they want?
Lastly, there are so many people calling any pro-china people brainwashed it’s getting really dumb and insulting. How would you feel, if you are called that just for defending your own country? You have to know, if they can reply and argue with you on a forum, they probably can access to many international information and may not even live in mainland China. In fact, they have read the western news, but you probably will never read the Chinese side. So, to them, you will be seen brainwashed by the western media. There will also be some who are very nationalist, but which country doesn’t have those people?