I support China, not Tibet.
March 20, 2008 by princejake
I do not understand the conflict between China, and Tibet.
I also do not understand why people around the world are protesting to free Tibet out of China.
I mostly do not understand why people are only supporting Tibet.
Tibet’s history with China has never really been pleasant. Starting from claims whether Tibet is part of China, or that the Chinese never gave the same social platform to the Tibetans, I strongly think that Tibetans just need to face the fact that they have been under the Chinese rule long enough to digest the reality.
Just months before the Beijing Olympics, Tibetans ran series of riots, attacking Chinese-owned properties/businesses, and the Chinese people in Lhasa.
I heard a number from 13 to 100 people have died due to the riot, but I don’t believe such statistics matter.
What’s the reason for the uproar caused by these Tibetans? No matter what the reason is, it should not be the excuse to attack other civilians, especially when it is driven by national hatred.
The thing that annoys me is the sensation made global. The support of Tibet around the world has spread, and it is like the Myanmar crisis all over again.
Do they even know what they are protesting for?
They carry signs like “Free Tibet” “Save Tibet” , strong suggestion of the boycott of the Beijing Olympics, and many of the protesters also demand that the Olympic Torch should not make a pass through Tibet.
Why in the sad world would they carry “Free Tibet”, and “Save Tibet” signs when it was the Tibetans that attacked the Chinese civilians?
Why are they saying Tibetans have been marginalized, when it is reported that Tibet has enjoyed the highest and fastest level of economic growth in China, thanks to the Chinese autonomy plan?
And can anyone blame the Chinese government to be ‘cautious’ of the moves made in Tibet that can lead to separatism, and violence?
Tourists in Tibet testified that the Tibetans ran through Chinese businesses, and targeting Chinese people to be victims of attack.
Because of what?
The fact that decades ago the Chinese government suppressed their rights? Does this make it right for a revenge attack?
So would it be OK for the Chinese now, to attack the Japanese for what they did in World War II?
And to these protestors, to free Tibet out of China is not only stupid, but economically suicidal to the Tibetans. How is Tibet going to survive without the booming help of China? Besides that, is Tibet capable of maintaining its economic development, when many of the businesses in Tibet are Chinese-based? With this movement, it will also lengthen the China-Tibet conflict, and this won’t be good for Tibet with China emerging as the new giant in the modern economy.
Is this the price tag of freedom?
I have a strong feeling that the Lhasa Riot was a planned one. These rioters were provoked, and the Olympics is made as the medal of boycott.
One thing I am sure about is that, attempts to boycott the Olympics will not be successful. It is a prestigious event made by China, and countries like Indonesia, Australia, Singapore, etc. will not risk their relationships with China as it remains as an important business partner.
What about india interest on TIbets.
Is Tibets really need to be independence, since their geographical / geopolitical not critical for china but for india/nepal etc. its also could become “schmeltztigel”.
Tibet is more likely to Kurdistan, and it’s difficult to made them like Vatican city of Himalaya regions.
The main problem China occupied Tibets and it’s was their great failure in their History.
Idd, I totally support your idea.
The Tibet protest is well overrated. I dont justified what China has done to the Tibet ppl. But the Dalai Lama himself is in my opinion no more then a smart politician playing the underdog and let himself used a pion by the americans.
He is using its religion powers to gain political powers. What would euripean say when the pope wants to be the head of the eu?
I dont think so, putting the dalai back in seats is turning time back 500 years…
Unfortunaly, the western press like to tell a different story
I agree with you.
I have no respect for Dalai Lama, I think he is one of the West toys.
Bringing peace to Tibet? It has been peaceful until Dalai Lama spoke against the Chinese government and indirectly provoked the Tibetans.
Tibet has enjoyed growth, and Dalai Lama is not willing to let it happen without him.
Tibetans are naive to think that someone like Dalai Lama is fighting for their rights.
Whoever put this video..I say Free Tibet……And Tibet Will Be Free…Tibet Is not part of china…!!!!!!
I support China !
I feel deeply humiliated by the obscene reactions of the western medias.
Not a Nation being humiliated by the West, but a whole continent !
The point is: the West ressent the new Asian reborn, they have always a good reason to deny our success.
These are old colonial reflex.
Who are they, to dictate us our conduit ?
All Asian unite behind the Chinese Flag !
April 30th 1975: Tibetan, remember the fate of those who once were supported by the west in their fight for freedom….
The real reason why the Western World yells ‘Free Tibet’ is because they hate seeing a non-white country like China becoming poweful.The West doesn’t actually know where Tibet is,they are using ‘Tibet’ as an excuse to incite racism against ‘Asians’ (without realising the hypocricy that Tibetans are also Asians).Westerners are so pathetic they go to any length to insult ‘Asians’- They spread racist videos about Chinese&Koreans eating dogs,and attack Japanese whaling fleets and insult Japanese for whaling because they are ‘Asian’.Never mind that Norway kills more minke whales each year than Japanese,Westerners don’t care because ‘Northern Europeans’ are their white brothers.They just want to incite hatred against Asians and turn asians against each other because the West wants to keep asians as ’slaves’.Westerners hate seeing a new,emerging powerful Asia that rebels.They reminisce and want to bring back the the days when Asia was oppressed,humiliated and oppressed by dividing Asians,espescially China.I am Taiwanese(happy to call myself chinese),but I can see behing the Westerners and Americans Agenda of spreading anti-Asian hatred,espescially to East Asians like Chinese,Taiwanese Chinese,Japanese,Koreans.USA only wants Taiwan as a ‘buffer’ against China so they can continue to dominate and spy on Asia.As far as I see,many asians are not that stupid anymore.
Well said.
I couldn’t agree more.
Nice to know there are people who share similar insights.
I am oversea chinese born and living outside China. Educated by the Jesuits schools and have a little history of China. The legitimacy of China over tibets is the not issue.
The issue is about hypocrisy of West not able to stomach the richness of the China wisdom in the abitlity to govern.Long before the Greek able to form or establish the modern goverment institution, China is well ahead of time.
China have been governing and have there own goverment institution.
Who is a better master A Chinese or Western people. We(US) are civilized people rule by the a democratic goverment.. by the people for the people.. this line is such a lie.. let the red indian and the black talk about there white master.
do you know why oprah show is so popular it is becuase the show is about freedom from white prejudice over other races.which is happening everyday in america… .. SELF EMPOWERMENT… is america is such a perfect state why can’t they take care of there people suffering from high cost of medical treatment of die without treatment at all..let latin american or mexican american….
what is the basis of the people to say what is better. i still think the basis essentail must be attained by the governing country….
a) housing, schooling, medical treatment and food.
b) security, justice system, work avialability and maintenance of peace enviroment
c) privilege to none treatment………… equality… egual chance to succeed.. equal chance to work.. equal chance for self perservation… equal change for good medical treatment… equal chance to justice system…
EQUALITY…. can America truely spell this words…i have observe in the big corperation run the smith,bell, parker and etc….. i like to see family name of garcia,lee, mohammed, and other
please there is no monopoly of wisdom to govern…. we are chinese have only the tradition that we understand we are not forcing it to other but only respecting other ways.. respect our ways…
i agree with you! i support China!
who are u fooling… who are the people behind the opium trade in china… who put the tibet into slavery…who fool the world that there mass distraction weapon in iraq. after the blunder whast do they say oooooooppss sorry… who went to war with- out consent of the world…. who are the people in the support of da lai lama… who is spending for this…. who master the the art black slavery….divide and conquer… mmmmmmm… make sense… divide eh….good…tactic… poor execution….poor strategy….poor spoke person…poor timing….poor killing…
what a waste….
we dont buy it anymore…..who are you fooling….
ONLY THE AMERICAN.. one dream…still dreaming…still dreaming….dream on….dude.
whether you like it or not the protest is not from ‘hypocritical governments’ but many, many ordinary people. and these people are not only trying to allow the tibetan people freedom of choice in how they choose to live - if they want chinese people to help them they will ASK them, not be occupied by them. the protesters are trying to protect YOUR human rights too. your lovely government, took power undemocratically, killed millions of your own people, has continued to kill and persecute and dissenters, murdered your students in tianneman square and if you chose to not agree with them would throw you in prison, and yet you still agree with the way they operate?. congratulations on signing your own prison sentences. personally i have no love for western governments either, but i do have a love people no matter where they are from, asian, white, black they should have the choice to choose who governs them, and you should be part of that too in your own country and in tibet.
Yes, governments, any government, should not be fully trusted - I do agree with that.
But to bring out the Tiananmen Square everytime someone speaks of China is unjust.
We can’t use the past incidents to categorize the current administrations, because if we do that, then all governments are of no integrity and credibility. Every government has their shares of ‘genocides’ in the past.
I don’t think the riot just happened because one day they just got fed up with the government. There must be an agenda, and a provocateur in the incident. And who can they influence? That’s right, Ordinary people, indeed.
But can these ‘ordinary rioters’ represent the whole population of Lhasa? Can we as the public, generalize that none of the Tibetans are happy with the economic growth the Chinese government has brought upon them?
The other thing that makes me upset is the involvement of Dalai Lama. He is in no way a face of democracy, or everything that the “West” desires, but he has generated strong support. Why?
Can someone in their right mind imagine what would happen to Lhasa if Dalai Lama was the ruler?
Does Tibet, or just these rioters, want Dalai Lama to rule them?
That is a fact the media should really dig into, and the public should know.
I think there is a good reason behind the “Free Tibet” movement. It is the fact that Chinese business owners are increasing the poverty of the local tibetens. I mean what if (for US people) Canadians came in and started their own businesses, forcing you into poverty? That is what it is like it Tibet.
And the Dalia Lhama had nothing to do with the slavery in Tibet during british rule (unlike what the Chinese propoganda machine would like you to think). He is for peace and harmony.
So FREE TIBET. There. Ha.
Oh, and I remember a perfect quote for you anti-democracy people:
“A goverment must give it’s people the whole truth, even if it is ugly or disturbing. For a goverment that does not tell it’s people the whole truth is and let the people decide what to do with the truth is a goverment that fears it’s people.”
Spartan,
First, Canadians need not need to go into the USA to start businesses.
In fact that sort of Migration has happened in the USA.
Many immigrants have flocked to the United States and take the jobs of those of the Americans. Instead of creating poverty, like your theory, it actually promotes jobs, and further develop the industry.
Tibet has a special autonomy plan, yes, Chinese businesses exist in Tibet (Doh, it’s China) and no they are not driving the Tibetans into poverty. Five decades of rule by China, Tibet along with Tibetans have emerged as one of the most successful in China.
Not just according to China, but it can be proven by other reports.
China is not too stupid to lie about this matter because a progress of a city will be apparent, and you can’t hide it.
The fact that the Riot happened was not of economic reason, but it was said to be ’social oppression’, and I strongly think due to the fact of China’s takeover five decades ago.
Tibetans still hold the grudge against China.
Dalai Lama had nothing to do with the slavery. Directly, no. But he was a puppet, or should I say, still is a puppet to the West. He was funded by the CIA, for what? I have no clear reason, but I’m sure it had something to do with United States against the communism ideology.
Dalai Lama always states that he has no means to get engaged with politics, but it is apparent that he does.
Up until now, it has been Media Distortion, not Dalai Lama, that provokes the global “Pro-Free Tibet” campaign.
Every government issues propaganda, it is just easier for so called “Democratic” governments to implement it, due to its placebo effect, which people think is true. Don’t be naive to this fact.
And to say that we are “Anti-democratic” just because we don’t believe in separatism says a lot about people like you.
If you were so democratic, you would not have portrayed the Tibetans not just by rioters, because there are more Tibetans who did not riot and are happy by the ruling of China.
If you believe in democracy, you should not condone the violence acted by these rioters against the Chinese.
For your last “perfect” quote: Are you talking about the USA or China? Cause it sure as hell, make no difference.
Communism or Democracy, it’s just a status.
Well put, princejake!
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TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT TIBET IS GOING TO BE ‘FREED’ , WHATEVER YOU MEAN BY THAT, WELL EXCUSE ME. NO OFFENSE OR ANYTHING AND SORRY TO LOWER YOUR HOPES BUT NO. TIBET IS PART OF CHINA AND ALWAYS WILL BE, YOU GOT THAT? IF THE OLYMPICS DON’T GO ON THEN FINE
……………………………………… BUT TIBET IS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER GOING TO BE SEPARATED FROM CHINA
It is not about supporting about Supporting Tibet or Supporting China. I don’t think most of the readers of this blog realize that the human rights abuses are still happening. This isn’t just 50 years. People are still being tortured and killed because they want freedom to practice their religion. What I don’t understand is… Why is the Chinese Government so afraid to let people talk about the Dalai Lama?? He is not the evil person that most Chinese think he is. I think some of you are so “brainwashed” by the Chinese government and media that you are not able to look at the whole picture. Do you realize that your mediai s being black out by your government. If the Chinese government is so sure that over 1.2 billion of you agree with the government’s policies why are they blocking your information, censoring youtube. and Don’t you think YOU have the right to decide what you think is appropriate. By the way… I am Tibetan. I have no absolute no hatred for the Chinese people. What I am against is the government. The government that is constantly suppressing my people.
Secondly,
How would you feel, IF 1.4 billion people were suppressing you. What IF we were forcing you to practice our religion? What if we sent you to prison for questioning the HHDL? You wouldn’t like it…. right? Just think about…
hahaha wow prince jake.
its called some INDEPENDENCE.
EVERY county on this entire planet is entitled to it.
and to “YOUKNOWWHAT”…are you joking? you just seem tooo knowledgeable.
Hah. No.: Not everyone is entitled to Independence, especially in a way to form a nation. This is not a call for independence. The move made was simply an act of separatism. And that is a whole different story. And yes, Tibet is better with China.
To Kunsang:
I am not brainwashed by the media of China nor the government, and I don’t expose myself much to the Chinese media.
In fact, I have been overexposed to the Western media, who are always against the government and ones that proclaim China is bad and in many ways that Tibet should be free.
In that matter, I made research about the China - Tibet issue, and hands down, I take my side with China’s idea.
1.4 billion people are not suppressing Tibet. China is declared an atheist state, since when is a status of no religion bad? Why do religions have to be the very foundation of goodness?
The government of China has the right to declare itself an Atheist nation, a practice of religion by the Tibetans cannot change that. China hasn’t taken a hard stand on Tibet for more than a decade since its booming economy, but the rioters have used the Olympics to provoke the government. It is only right for the Government for a crackdown, or else chaos will spread.
Again, I never generalize all Tibetans with these rioters, because I know like many Chinese, Tibetans are part of Chinese. These rioters are just a very small picture of Tibet that is magnified by the International community, and those who have negative interests for China use this as an opportunity.
China has never spoken about Dalai Lama because there is nothing to be spoken of. He was exiled because he was against a big part of China. End of story. Why should that be of any importance that China wants to sensationalize?
I strongly doubt that Dalai Lama would bring the achievement China has done to Tibet if he was to rule over Tibet. Even if he is capable of doing so, he would be helped by his western counterparts, like the United States, and thus Tibet will again be colonized. And the glory of religious and spiritual matter will once again spark.
The blocking of YouTube was not because China was wrong, but I can frankly say that China has realized that the media, like YouTube which is uncontrolled and uncensored can be a medium of provocation.
I am not saying that the government of China is always right and superior, but I believe that they are not as bad as what the media have portrayed. I strongly believe too that Tibet should make good use with being linked to China. After all, Tibet and China share close physical and cultural affairs.
Norway supports China, and believes Tibet is, was and Will always be a part of China.
We also support Japan/Nihon in the Whaling cases. The USA, Australia and UK doesn’t understand that it’s part of our countries Cultures!
So China; Don’t give in to the ignorant Americans!
Free Tibet? What a joke! But it is not funny.
Those people who support Free Tibet movement please make sure you have the real power to undertake your action, but just not cry out like a coward and hide in western contries as a refugee.
To free or revolutionise a paticular region, people holding that dream have to be fearless to get wounded and ready to sacrifice their life. They need to call up all their people who share the same value with them to fight against the authority government, but not just act as a clown to attack the ordinary people and their business. Unfortunately, the actions carried out by those people who urge to free Tibet failed to match their extrodinary dream until now. All we have seen is a small number of rioters destoring the residents’ life and properties in Tibet - Yes, a group of people chanting human rights and democracy have acturally destroyed others’ human rights of enjoying a peaceful life. Performing like this, how can those Free Tibet people get the respect from us, the Chinese?
Those people intending to free Tibet, you need to ask yourself, can you afford to take the action to match your dream? Or you are just capable of doing things like what you have done previously? Or you are already aware of the reality that you have very limited supporters to undertake your great plan?
The media says that Tibet is “peacefully” protesting, and trying to “bond” with China?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
More like attacking citizens and burning down buildings! yeah they’re bonding, real peaceful.
IF Tibet has an actual reason to protest it at least shouldn’t be like this!!!
i’m an american, but i support china in all of her endeavors.
i don’t know whom to support. Please, if somebody take the effort to give ansers to my few questions - which would help me to take my decision…
My Questions are…
1) Did anybody forced Dalai lama out of tibet? or why he is not going to tibet?
2) are the chinese really supressing tibets? if yes, how? and from when?
3) when did the revolution started?
enough for now…
first let me know these things, thanks
The robots who are running China should know that regardless of appearances they will never own what is essentially Tibet. Many Chinese don’t seem to understand that Tibetans have no interest in their definition of “progress”. They’re interested in living a life built around spirituality, traditions and their ancient culture. China’s idea of progress is not progress but it’s ultimate death sentence. Materialism and worshipping “things” will lead only the extinction of China. The same goes for other countries that are rooted deeply in placing materialism above the all-inclusive reality that is consciousness, love, or what many call “god”. Ask real Tibetans in private what they want, not others posing as Tibetans for cameras. Tibetans unanimously want non-tibetans out of Tibet. If you are Chinese and you ignore this then you are anti-freedom, anti-tibetan, anti-peace, anti-free will, and anti-nature. It is the inherent urge within humans to be free, to live free, to love, and to choose how and who will govern them. It is more than obvious that China wants Tibet in order to exploit its resources, lumber, uranium, water, etc. Anyone with a brain can see this with perfect clarity. If you don’t see this you are blinded by your vested interest in the position of your government. All humans without exception are inherently flawed and have done ruthless, horrendous things against others. There are no exceptions. Right now, today, right here, the subject is Tibet and Tibetans want to be free, want to be independent, want to be left alone to live a life centered around their religion. Obviously, if you oppress any group of people long enough you will get an explosion and they go about and blame them for exploding. Ridiculous! There’s no rationalization for violence in this scenario but like an human being Tibetans will eventually need to release the accumulated oppression and suppression that they have been living with for more than 50 years. China, just leave, get on the train you built just to screw up Tibet and leave, Get out now! You are not wanted or welcome. Never have been. All the rationalizations, justifications and explanations in the world will not make what you are doing right, moral or humane. It just won’t. You are standing on a fictional foundation and have no legitimate reason to be in Tibet. Tibet is for Tibetans! Get out of our land, out of our towns, out of our politics, out of our lives, etc. Leave, our land alone, our water, our resources, our people, our temples and monasteries alone. Do this now or you will eventually experience your own self-generated misery.